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	<title>Comments on: A Liberal Arts Education Teaches Students to Analyze and Express Ideas Efficiently</title>
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		<title>By: kortina</title>
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		<dc:creator>kortina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I can place a $ amount on the value I got out of Penn. I met&lt;br&gt;Iqram there, and many other friends. I was surrounded by tons of smart&lt;br&gt;people and engaged in interesting debate daily.  I now have an instant&lt;br&gt;connection with amazing alumni and meet new Penn alumns all the time.  I&lt;br&gt;learned from inspiring teachers and peers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In short, my answer is this: I intend to donate as much as I can to help&lt;br&gt;others have a similar experience and will not think twice about paying for&lt;br&gt;my own children to get a similar education. I will work 3 jobs if necessary&lt;br&gt;to expose them to this environment.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I realize not everyone shares this sentiment, however, so one of the items&lt;br&gt;on my startup-todolist is an education company, focused on making this sort&lt;br&gt;of experience more affordable.  Prolly will be in five-ten years, though--my&lt;br&gt;plate is pretty full right now.  Education is definitely an area I will&lt;br&gt;return to however. As a citizen of a democracy, I feel obligated to&lt;br&gt;contribute to improving education as an educated populace is the only way&lt;br&gt;for a true democratic society to sustain and improve itself.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Have you seen any sort of startups making this caliber of experience more&lt;br&gt;accessible? The closest thing I have seen is Youtube, but that does not have&lt;br&gt;the same sort of ubiquitous learning (learning at the cafeteria and gym)&lt;br&gt;sort of effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think I can place a $ amount on the value I got out of Penn. I met<br />Iqram there, and many other friends. I was surrounded by tons of smart<br />people and engaged in interesting debate daily.  I now have an instant<br />connection with amazing alumni and meet new Penn alumns all the time.  I<br />learned from inspiring teachers and peers.</p>
<p>In short, my answer is this: I intend to donate as much as I can to help<br />others have a similar experience and will not think twice about paying for<br />my own children to get a similar education. I will work 3 jobs if necessary<br />to expose them to this environment.</p>
<p>I realize not everyone shares this sentiment, however, so one of the items<br />on my startup-todolist is an education company, focused on making this sort<br />of experience more affordable.  Prolly will be in five-ten years, though&#8211;my<br />plate is pretty full right now.  Education is definitely an area I will<br />return to however. As a citizen of a democracy, I feel obligated to<br />contribute to improving education as an educated populace is the only way<br />for a true democratic society to sustain and improve itself.</p>
<p>Have you seen any sort of startups making this caliber of experience more<br />accessible? The closest thing I have seen is Youtube, but that does not have<br />the same sort of ubiquitous learning (learning at the cafeteria and gym)<br />sort of effects.</p>
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		<title>By: aweissman</title>
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		<dc:creator>aweissman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but can you say that value is worth $200,000+?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but can you say that value is worth $200,000+?</p>
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		<title>By: kortina</title>
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		<dc:creator>kortina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you are going to look first and foremost for someone with PHP, or Perl, or&lt;br&gt;mysql or whatever skills&quot; - hmm, disagree here. Our first hire is going to&lt;br&gt;be a guy we went to school with who is just really smart. He has not written&lt;br&gt;software since graduating from college, but is sharp, a hard worker, and&lt;br&gt;knows how to get things done.  Most importantly, he is a self starter, and&lt;br&gt;needs little direction to execute--he just needs to goal and can discover&lt;br&gt;the implementation independently.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hear you on ROI, however, Andy.  The value to me of the university&lt;br&gt;education is in the intangibles.  When you go off to university, you leave&lt;br&gt;your comfort zone and family behind, and move geographically. Campus is a&lt;br&gt;place where excitement about learning lives. When you go to the dining hall&lt;br&gt;or gym, you&#039;re surrounding by people who are eager to learn and constantly&lt;br&gt;engaging in discussion with people who are learning new things outside your&lt;br&gt;domain. It&#039;s very tough to duplicate the motivation to learn that results&lt;br&gt;from living 24x7 in this kind of environment. Sure, you can join meetups and&lt;br&gt;forums and youtube channels focuses on learning a specific topic, but I have&lt;br&gt;yet to see the geographic network effects of a college campus duplicated&lt;br&gt;online.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The closest thing I have seen, actually, is New York City, where everyone&lt;br&gt;has a story. Everyone is excited about something, has some sort of telos.&lt;br&gt;Bartenders stories are about their theatre groups or art shows,&lt;br&gt;entrepreneurs abound, and generally people are excited about something,&lt;br&gt;looking for opportunities, ready to learn from the rest of the diverse&lt;br&gt;population. Building cities like this or figuring out how to translate this&lt;br&gt;environment to the web, I think, are the only way to compete with college&lt;br&gt;campus education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you are going to look first and foremost for someone with PHP, or Perl, or<br />mysql or whatever skills&#8221; &#8211; hmm, disagree here. Our first hire is going to<br />be a guy we went to school with who is just really smart. He has not written<br />software since graduating from college, but is sharp, a hard worker, and<br />knows how to get things done.  Most importantly, he is a self starter, and<br />needs little direction to execute&#8211;he just needs to goal and can discover<br />the implementation independently.</p>
<p>I hear you on ROI, however, Andy.  The value to me of the university<br />education is in the intangibles.  When you go off to university, you leave<br />your comfort zone and family behind, and move geographically. Campus is a<br />place where excitement about learning lives. When you go to the dining hall<br />or gym, you&#39;re surrounding by people who are eager to learn and constantly<br />engaging in discussion with people who are learning new things outside your<br />domain. It&#39;s very tough to duplicate the motivation to learn that results<br />from living 24&#215;7 in this kind of environment. Sure, you can join meetups and<br />forums and youtube channels focuses on learning a specific topic, but I have<br />yet to see the geographic network effects of a college campus duplicated<br />online.</p>
<p>The closest thing I have seen, actually, is New York City, where everyone<br />has a story. Everyone is excited about something, has some sort of telos.<br />Bartenders stories are about their theatre groups or art shows,<br />entrepreneurs abound, and generally people are excited about something,<br />looking for opportunities, ready to learn from the rest of the diverse<br />population. Building cities like this or figuring out how to translate this<br />environment to the web, I think, are the only way to compete with college<br />campus education.</p>
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		<title>By: aweissman</title>
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		<dc:creator>aweissman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed 100% this is a US problem that I am referring to, yes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Re the replacement of Steve Jobs - where I disagree is that you would lead to see what someone DID, how they PERFORMED, well before you looked at their course of study</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed 100% this is a US problem that I am referring to, yes.</p>
<p>Re the replacement of Steve Jobs &#8211; where I disagree is that you would lead to see what someone DID, how they PERFORMED, well before you looked at their course of study</p>
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		<title>By: arctictony</title>
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		<dc:creator>arctictony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take your point Andy. However, I think the wider issue here is not specific to liberal arts but to the American university system as a whole. Despite what any lecturers of mine might recall, I did attend a highly-regarded British university (founded before your country was found ;)) and the cost of my liberal arts/social sciences education for four years was a percentage of what a term would cost at a similarly-ranked university in the US. In fact, the university student body was 25% American largely because of the perceived superior ROI here. That isn&#039;t an ROI problem for liberal arts, but for the economics of US study in general. It&#039;s got to be next on the list after healthcare.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, if I was looking for a new developer (ie. someone with a specific skillset) I would look for someone trained in those skills. However, if I was looking to replace Steve Jobs, an industry-moulding destructive force of creativity (who lest we forget, has assigned much of the creative inspiration for the original Apple&#039;s to the various liberal arts courses, including calligraphy, that he dropped in on) I might look for someone with a broader range of study than the specialization undoubtedly so useful for other roles.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, it&#039;s instructive to see how CEOs from various specific backgrounds react to challenges and setbacks. The former marketing guy looks to a marketing solution, the former product guy tries to solve the problem through new product strategy, the former biz dev guy through new deals and distribution channels. Being able to rely on people highly-skilled in a specific areas (with the skillz to pay the billz as you say) is useful, but an effective leader should be aware of the entire toolset and then exploit each of these different people&#039;s skillsets to derive advantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take your point Andy. However, I think the wider issue here is not specific to liberal arts but to the American university system as a whole. Despite what any lecturers of mine might recall, I did attend a highly-regarded British university (founded before your country was found <img src='http://labs.kortina.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) and the cost of my liberal arts/social sciences education for four years was a percentage of what a term would cost at a similarly-ranked university in the US. In fact, the university student body was 25% American largely because of the perceived superior ROI here. That isn&#39;t an ROI problem for liberal arts, but for the economics of US study in general. It&#39;s got to be next on the list after healthcare.</p>
<p>Yes, if I was looking for a new developer (ie. someone with a specific skillset) I would look for someone trained in those skills. However, if I was looking to replace Steve Jobs, an industry-moulding destructive force of creativity (who lest we forget, has assigned much of the creative inspiration for the original Apple&#39;s to the various liberal arts courses, including calligraphy, that he dropped in on) I might look for someone with a broader range of study than the specialization undoubtedly so useful for other roles.</p>
<p>Finally, it&#39;s instructive to see how CEOs from various specific backgrounds react to challenges and setbacks. The former marketing guy looks to a marketing solution, the former product guy tries to solve the problem through new product strategy, the former biz dev guy through new deals and distribution channels. Being able to rely on people highly-skilled in a specific areas (with the skillz to pay the billz as you say) is useful, but an effective leader should be aware of the entire toolset and then exploit each of these different people&#39;s skillsets to derive advantage.</p>
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		<title>By: aweissman</title>
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		<dc:creator>aweissman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disagree, respectfully, but wholeheartedly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The question is the ROI of a liberal arts education.  Of course if has value, but what is that value relative to its cost.  What is the return.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And can&#039;t all the attributs you and Kortina mention - intution, argument, analysis - they are not domains exclusive to liberal arts education, but to life.  Sure they are enhanced at Harvard Penn wherever, but at what cost (well we know the cost, 50k a year).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When you need a new developer for Twitterfeed or Venmo, you are going to look first and foremost for someone with PHP, or Perl, or mysql or whatever skills.  You arent looking for someone with a major in military history, to the exent education even comes up (christ, I dont even know where or if you went to school).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I submit we are in a country where we need to build and produce things, and liberal arts education and the bloat of universities has failed to deliver that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disagree, respectfully, but wholeheartedly.</p>
<p>The question is the ROI of a liberal arts education.  Of course if has value, but what is that value relative to its cost.  What is the return.</p>
<p>And can&#39;t all the attributs you and Kortina mention &#8211; intution, argument, analysis &#8211; they are not domains exclusive to liberal arts education, but to life.  Sure they are enhanced at Harvard Penn wherever, but at what cost (well we know the cost, 50k a year).</p>
<p>When you need a new developer for Twitterfeed or Venmo, you are going to look first and foremost for someone with PHP, or Perl, or mysql or whatever skills.  You arent looking for someone with a major in military history, to the exent education even comes up (christ, I dont even know where or if you went to school).</p>
<p>I submit we are in a country where we need to build and produce things, and liberal arts education and the bloat of universities has failed to deliver that.</p>
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		<title>By: arctictony</title>
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		<dc:creator>arctictony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree with this. Another factor that I consider essential is the ability to cover a broad range of different domains, teasing out connections and applying them to new scenarios. I enjoyed Bill&#039; Duggan&#039;s book on strategic intuition that goes into how we innovate. So often it is the application or combination of aspects from varied disciplines in a new area that can create huge innovation. For instance, at the moment when trying to think about where Chartbeat goes, I&#039;m spending a fair amount of time (and deriving, for me, valuable insight from) reading military history and theory. I&#039;m then applying what I learn to understand how real-time analytics differs from traditional. Would I think like that without a liberal arts education? I don&#039;t think so. It may end in a dead end but it provides me with the opportunity to potentially out-innovate someone who purely thinks down well-trodden paths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree with this. Another factor that I consider essential is the ability to cover a broad range of different domains, teasing out connections and applying them to new scenarios. I enjoyed Bill&#39; Duggan&#39;s book on strategic intuition that goes into how we innovate. So often it is the application or combination of aspects from varied disciplines in a new area that can create huge innovation. For instance, at the moment when trying to think about where Chartbeat goes, I&#39;m spending a fair amount of time (and deriving, for me, valuable insight from) reading military history and theory. I&#39;m then applying what I learn to understand how real-time analytics differs from traditional. Would I think like that without a liberal arts education? I don&#39;t think so. It may end in a dead end but it provides me with the opportunity to potentially out-innovate someone who purely thinks down well-trodden paths.</p>
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